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Tyrrax Thorrk
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Posted - 2009.03.06 03:08:00 -
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 Originally by: Morris Falter
It's appreciated that at least some of current reds are taking a more considered approach. That tyrrax was selling our every move to bob big hat types seems to be a conveniently forgotten factor in all this revisionism - but, even if this hadn't been going on (and it certainly wasn't proven for a very long time, at least that I knew about) I suspect that the outcome wouldn't have been so dissimilar.
I think molle would agree with me when I say that the intel I sold to BoB was generally pretty useless apart from entertainment / insight into incompetence / poor coordination value.
I was just making some easy money, I never sold them anything I felt would jeopardize my own little army's strength / holdings, and IAC's survival depended on our side's not losing.
f.i. the voicecomm recording I sold them of the F-TE strategy meeting wasn't delivered until after we'd lost all those dreads. (btw i was the first dread to die =)
Yes they did get to read some funny jabberlogs and IRON's terrible coalition forums of dumbness, did any of it have a significant effect on the war or even specific battles ? Nah.
I suppose you could theorize that keeping Molle/BoB director morale up with entertaining chat**** had a significant effect, but I don't think the stuff was even all that good most of the time *shrug*
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Tyrrax Thorrk
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Posted - 2009.03.06 03:29:00 -
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On topic; I disagree with the OP about AAA being terrible allies, I think OP might be confusing allies with friends, f.i. IAC and -A- were never friends, but were useful to each other for a long time and in different ways
some examples of -A- being good allies; them intimidating MC + blob to back off IAC (after being approached about doing so by uaxdeath at the behest of mittani)
when IAC went into Querious to attempt to take 49-u from FIX (unfortunately choosing to use the terrible Brotherhood of Steel to spam towers) -A- assisted in killing a couple of GBC motherships IAC had baited and tackled (1 MC 1 ISS, both among the 10 first motherships killed)
-A- went and opened a second Querious front in ED- to help goonswarm/RA by keeping GBC elements from supporting BoB in Feythabolis
When BoB abandoned several regions they went to support MC and co in a Catch offensive this was delayed significantly by -A- and RA and to a lesser extent by Proviblob (to the extent of making the campaign a failure)
This gave GoonSwarm and co time to take over the regions BoB had strategically retreated from and take the fight to Delve..
Sure -A- could've made a difference if they'd joined in the Delve offensive, but them choosing not to doesn't make them a bad ally to have, they had already contributed quite significantly to the war and in my opinion proved themselves a great ally to RSF.
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Tyrrax Thorrk
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Posted - 2009.03.06 04:14:00 -
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Edited by: Tyrrax Thorrk on 06/03/2009 04:17:07
Originally by: Fraud Crawler
AAA only contributed to the war when it was in their direct interest to do so, and the ONLY REASON they defended IAC was because their own space was threatened if they didn't. IAC was a useful buffer.
No, AAA was never a "great ally."
Great allies...
1. See each other's interests as their own. i.e. "What's good for one of us is good for all of us."
2. Contribute, in a meaningful way, toward helping allies accomplish their goals.
3. Recognize that building a strong relationship toward other alliances is beneficial for everyone.
You're right about the IAC part, everything about IAC's relationship with -A- was practical and selfish (on both sides) really nothing friendly about it (except between a very few individuals).
Perhaps I should say I consider them to have been extremely useful allies, both to IAC and go GoonSwarm, rather than great ones, but you seem to think of great allies as being friends too, while I don't think that's necesserily the case.
Quote:
Bad allies...
1. Only care about their own, short term interests.
2. Only contribute when they directly benefit from the immediate operation.
3. Create and break alliances at will.
You tell me which one AAA falls under. Because it seems to me that the only thing they know how to do is "open a second front" which is always conveniently right next door.
1. -A- cared about and worked towards their own long term interests too, f.i. by donating unwanted stations to IAC for a blue buffer between themselves and Querious, and ET personally building GoonSwarm's first titan for goons.
2. Yeah that sounds like a pretty fair description of -A-'s behavior to me.
3. Shrug, gotta do something for fun, nothing wrong with it IMO, they didn't break any alliances they were friends with (goons was about closest thing they had to a friend among the alliances they "turned on" and they didn't come close to breaking you) could see that as simply looking for fun fights and a challenge against respected enemies and getting paid for it (until it got all personal)..
ED- isn't really right next door to -A-, was 3-5 capital jumps from Catch/Impass or LGK and a LOT more for supercapitals (necessitating going through Providence where CVA incvoneniently kept everything cynojammed) but easy distance for sub-capitals 's true.
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Tyrrax Thorrk
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Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2009.03.06 05:19:00 -
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Edited by: Tyrrax Thorrk on 06/03/2009 05:22:31
Originally by: Petar Quaresma
TT, that absolutely terrible blurf about the politics of Eve deserves to be on scrapheap and not here. By that I mean it's utterly terrible and stupid- even more terrible than what belongs on these forums. By your reading of history, we're supposed to believe AAA wasn't worthless because they managed to get a gang together to gank a supercap someone else was holding down; because they assisted the absolutely terrible and massively worthless IAC in Querious against the fearsome fighting force known as FIX and because um, well I can't really see anything else from what you're saying. Oh yea, and IAC were the linchpin of our success in the "strategically abandoned" (a euphemism for "strategically taken from them") space in the South and the eventual campaign in Delve (where IAC and AAA were both worthless as a mule's behind).
Oh, and when you mentioned the Catch campaign that BoB went to help in.. do you mean the one where we came and bailed IAC out [without us IAC would have been rolled in about 3 seconds and still lost a bunch of space when the lag prevented a defense]. That was US that came up there and not AAA. I remember because IAC was too incompetent to have intell channels or joint comms to facilitate any movement in the region. What a clusterfock.
Kinda difficult to respond to a post that ignorant and blatantly trolling, but I'll try anyway.
1. those supercaps wouldn't have died without them, and their deaths affected morale on both sides of war
2. nowhere did I say IAC was the lynchpin of anything, however IAC/AAA taking fight to querious did prevent about 10 pet alliances from helping BoB against you guys in feyth, including MC which most considered to be pretty formidable at the time (since they'd just got back from crushing most of the north)
IAC wasn't worthless at all in the Delve campaign, AAA on the other hand was,
in fact IAC was about 10x as useful as TCF in that part of the war, they lost one fight at the start and never came back in force
i think at that point we were more useful than anyone from the north with the sole exception of Razor
when MC+bob pets and later BoB was steamrolling Catch goonswarm did nothing useful to delay their offensive, -A- + IAC and RA delayed them for about a month in FAT-, by the time that was over yes IAC was in terrible shape, yes would've lost in about 3 seconds without those two alliances vs the 15 or so attacking, no goons weren't involved in any relevant way so dunno wtf you're talking about there
goons did later show up in force to retake the lost stations along with TCF and a recovered IAC led by VileLust
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Tyrrax Thorrk
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Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2009.03.08 23:29:00 -
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Edited by: Tyrrax Thorrk on 08/03/2009 23:31:43
Originally by: Reapeat Offender
Originally by: Das Panzer
Originally by: Reapeat Offender
Edited by: Reapeat Offender on 08/03/2009 19:49:59
The people that fight along side us have been long term friends. Years in most cases.
Yes, just like nync and Evil Thug were.
Evil Thug reset us. And Nync would still be a friend if he wasn't putting towers up in space that wasn't his and wasn't running a 1b a day complex that wasn't his to run.
I think das panzer has a point there, if you consider how much Nync has done for goons in the past it seems a bit off to reset him over some POS and a plex isn't it ? Why not just give 'em to him or talk about it and come to some agreement..
(Random speculation; Perhaps Darius never liked him anyway and since goons didn't need him anymore ditched him and his new alliance using a flimsy excuse of ROL breaking agreement about plex)
I think Evil Thug reset you guys to support his old friend Nync and to get a fun challenge for his stagnating alliance (not every day someone offers to pay for all your losses on a campaign), then it got personal and escalated and BoB got involved and whatnot..
I'm thinkin goon relationship with -A- was always through russian types like uaxdeath and nync and thus not a very strong one..
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Tyrrax Thorrk
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Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2009.03.09 02:28:00 -
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i prefer the term ignorant !
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Tyrrax Thorrk
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Posted - 2009.03.09 02:29:00 -
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no need to be like all calling me dumb for my random speculation ;[
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Tyrrax Thorrk
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Posted - 2009.03.09 02:49:00 -
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well what i meant about nync helping goons in past was like something SUAS mentioned sometime about something like 20 control towers he donated for POS spamming to save some nyx in build a short time before shrike lost his first titan, that totally messed up BoB's offensive and POS management, and they started taking down towers in one system to put up in the other to compete etc
needless to say I don't really have much of a clue how goons relationship was with him / the rest of RA's leadership, and I'm sure there were plenty of issues leading up to the reset
while darius can be a **** sometimes i think this probably had nothing to do with him
*poastpoast*
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Tyrrax Thorrk
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Posted - 2009.03.09 03:06:00 -
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i'm sure it's better than yours, on pretty much everything
Originally by: Petar Quaresma
Jesus christ Tyrrax just stop.
no u, also what is it with goons and jesus christ
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Tyrrax Thorrk
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Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2009.03.09 03:17:00 -
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Nothing, I just found it odd how much you guys seem to use his name in your posting.
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